Hello and Welcome back,
It seems my last article sparked a little debate. So I would like to address those things that were brought up. First there was a comment left about if there should or should not be an Ubar in Treve. Most references I have found lists Treve as having an Administrator. Though it could be assumed, if anyone could make war on Treve, Treve would choose an Ubar, like any other city. Though that is just a guess. Our AOLGor perception of the books is skewed, so many things are not played correctly (Port Kar's Admirals being one example).
Secondly, someone brought up, that I was saying that anyone can just meander up and challenge an Administrator or Ubar, for any such reason. I would like to say, no. That's not what I was saying. Allow me to clarify. Any warrior can challenge any other warrior, on a basis of honor, respect, position, etc. Challenges are not entered or made lightly (theoretically). The key to this is the challenge must have basis. You cannot challenge someone for wearing the wrong shoes. You can challenge someone for being dishonorable. It is judged on a case by case basis. Now to be an Administrator is to be a peace-time leader. ANY MALE can be an Administrator. From Physician on down. Administrators are removed by a legal action for legal wrong-doing or ineffectiveness. Ubars MUST be warriors. They have absolute power in war-time. But, a Warrior can be challenged by another warrior. In addition, Ubars must step down when the time of war is over. Any Ubar who does not, is often overthrown by his warriors.
Thirdly, I got an email from Alain Lassiter that I would like to respond too.
The Codes of the Warrior.
A while back there was an issue with a Warrior being brought before the Caste of Warriors for trial. His charges included violations of the codes. It was said that he violated one or more codes of the Warriors and should be removed from his Caste and his position with the Caste. Several numbered "Aphorisms" were listed as the various codes that he had broken.
It would make sense, if you are going to charge someone have a list of the supposed crimes they committed right? However the fault was that there is only one Aphorism listed out by number in the books. The 97th Aphorism, which appears in Book 24 Vagabonds of Gor.
In all 25 books there are only 2 times the word "Aphorism" is used. Both are in Vagabonds, both are in the same chapter and same page.
(The below is the property of John Norman all rights reserved to him, reproduced for editorial comment only.)
“Are you of the Warriors?” asked Labienus.
“Yes,” I said.
“Hear,” said Labienus to his men. “He is of the Warriors.”
“He says he is,” said a fellow, glumly.
“What is the 97th Aphorism in the Codes?” inquired Labienus.
“My scrolls may not be those of Ar,” I said. To be sure, the scrolls should be, at least among the high cities, in virtue of conventions held at the Sardar Fairs, particularly the Fair of En’Kara, much in agreement.
“Will you speak?” asked Labienus.
“Remove the female,” I said.
“He is a Warrior,” said one of the men.
One of the men lifted the bound Ina in his arms, one hand behind the back of her knees, and the other behind her back, and carried her from where we were gathered. In a few moments he returned.
“The female is now out of earshot?” inquired Labienus, staring ahead.
“Yes,” said the fellow, “and she will stay where I left her, on her back, as I tied her hair about the base of a stout shrub.”
“The 97th Aphorism in the Codes I was taught,” I said, “is in the form of a riddle: “What is invisible but more beautiful than diamonds?”
“And the answer?” inquired Labienus.
“That which is silent but deafens thunder.”
The men regarded one another.
“And what is that?” asked Labienus.
“The same,” said I, “as that which depresses no scale but is weightier than gold.”
“And what is that?” asked Labienus.
“Honor,” I said.
“He is of the Warriors,” said a man. Plenius turned away, stricken.
“But I have, in my time,” I said, “betrayed such codes.” Plenius turned back, to regard me, a strange expression on his face.
“I think it is easy enough to do,” I said.
“Yes,” smiled Labienus. “I think that we all, here and there, in our time, have managed that.”
“You are very kind,” I said.
The above, is the ONLY place in the books where an Aphorism of the codes is listed. The ONLY place. Once more.. The Only Place.
So anyone who claims to have a website, or know 100 Aphorisms of the codes, has made them up. They are perhaps Gorean flavored, or intended to be Gorean, but they are not Gorean, nor are many of them of the codes known from the books of Gor. Perhaps some day John Norman will produce a "Compendium" of Gor, an official, guidebook to the setting and characters. Inclusive of the Codes of the Warriors, the Aphorisms, the codes of various castes, the little details that will fill in the cracks we have now on AOLGOR; however until that time, all we have to go on for what IS Gorean and what is NOT, is the 25 published Books of Gor by John Norman.
These books, I do not believe were ever meant for the scrutiny of a roleplaying world. John Norman built himself a world, much like other writers have done before him and after him, but he left holes in it. We have an incomplete Gorean Language, an incomplete understanding of medical technology, ect. I have found the exact same listing of the aphorisms on no less than four other webpages. Someone more diligent and wiser than I must have come up with the 100 aphorisms, and so far as I can tell, a great number of them have quotes to back them up.
"What is it to be a warrior? It is to keep the codes. Nothing else matters." (Beasts of Gor, p.340)
"One does not speak to a slave of the codes" (Beasts of Gor, p.340)
Now I can argue the merits of the 100 Aphorisms with you, until we are both blue in the face. You will say, "because they are not in the books they do not exist, therefore they are not Gorean." And I will return with, "much of what we do not do is listed in the books. How many have rped their character's pilgrimage to the Sadar? How many have rped their stabilization? How many women are branded and then freed? These people who have not or have ever been guilty of not staying true to the books 100% in all things, are therefore not Gorean, and able to be ignored. And if you support their rp choices, you are not Gorean, therefore you should be ignored."
One of the tandamount problems with AOLGor, is that there are gaps in John Norman's world. And we as muns cannot agree on how best to fill those gaps, so we each take our stands and lead off in our own way, and ignore any other way of thinking. I, for one, believe the 100 Aphorisms to be Gorean. They embody what I think defines a warrior, they fill in the gap. I did not write them, but I respect the person who had the wisdom to sit and write them. You don't have to agree with me, and you can continue along your way. But I would challenge you to think on this. What if we did agree? What if there was a set listing of all the gaps in John Norman's writings filled? Is this a possibility? Can we as muns sit down like adults and work out these things and compromise? Or are our muns so fragmented that the thought of submitting to another's ideas to be silly?
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
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Wednesday, March 25, 2009
Tuesday, March 24, 2009
Trouble in Treve
Hello and Welcome back all,
I've been away for quite some time, and have not been around to write many articles. But the goings on in Treve have once again caught my attention. It seems their Ubar was recently challenged for his position. This is not uncommon in Treve. They switch Ubars more often than most people change underwear in a month. But this one is a special case and I just want to go over it. A lesson for anyone playing a warrior.
I would first like to go off topic to address one thing. I have been receiving alot of IM logs and room logs, and while I will not get into their OOC non-sense. The characters of Firenza of Treve and Melania of Treve need a serious attitude adjustment. Their mouths (Or the the mouths of their NPC Guards) seem to have no limits, including spouting and thought RPing off such jewels as:
Firenza of Treve: She got unceremoniously yanked from her kneel and hauledback away from the action. Travis would catch hold of Melania's arm as welland lead her gently back to his sister. With that accomplished, he went tojoin Seravok at his
Firenza of Treve: side, fully ready to fight in the place of his Ubar whichwas, of course, the man's right as ruler of this city. It was stupid tochallenge a man who commanded MANY men on his home turf. His eyes narrowedfaintly on Kriger and then
Firenza of Treve: he smoked. "Fool." There. Outright. [d]
Melania of Treve: You fat f*cken swine..::remembering now Warn's adjectivesthat best describes this man::: You are not fit to tend tarsks ::and thereher impulsive tongue let loose..but not before Travis caught hold of her armand walked her to
Melania of Treve: Firenza::
...and...
Firenza of Treve: "Do the words of a mere woman affect you so...warrior?"Now that...pissed her off.
Firenza of Treve: "She is free. She can speak her own mind."
Ah-ha, wrong. A woman can speak her mind, all she wants to. Until a man informs her to shut her mouth. This is a male dominated society. If a man tells a woman to shut up, she better, or risk a collar.
Now back on subject. Myk of Treve (Ubar) was challenged by Kriger avHelvete to canjellne. Myk of Treve allowed WarnTheDeviI to fight for him in the challenge. Well as it goes, WarntheDevil won a very close DM, leading to Kriger's death. So far as i know Kriger is not challenging the DM and the scoring is correct. What I plan to address is Myk of Treve's assigning another Warrior to fight for him. Consider the following Warrior codes:
-21st Aphorism of the Codes-
To touch a Warrior without his permission is canjellne. To draw a weapon against a Warrior is canjellne. To misuse the property of a Warrior without recompense is canjellne. Canjellne is the Rite of Challenge. Woe be it to any who so challenges a Warrior!
-22nd Aphorism of the Codes-
A Warrior meets the challenges of those who do not share his caste in the manner he sees fit. Such a challenge may be so met in any fashion, provided it is not ignored.
-23rd Aphorism of the Codes-
A Warrior may respond to the rightful challenge of another Warrior in one of two ways: He may yield all, or he may answer with steel. Woe be it to any who yields all! A collar of iron awaits him one day.
These are three codes that apply to this chalenge. Kriger was a warrior, his challenge was rightful. Myk of Treve had only two responses. Yeild his seat as Ubar or answer with his steel. He choose neither path. He had another warrior fight for him. They justify it with the following arguement:
Firenza of Treve: [Um. Wrong. The Ubarate rights extend past those of amere warrior. And, for the record? ALL Ubars were of the Red Caste, since itwas a war-time or battle-time position.]
The Ubarate rights extend past those of a "mere warrior." Must they be reminded that to be a Warrior is to be one of the High Castes? Must they be reminded that without that caste the man would be NOTHING?!? How can a Warrior be above his own codes? Observe these codes:
-17th Aphorism of the Codes-
There is a time for Ubars, and there is a time when Ubars must also bow. Let no Ubar stand longer than his city has need of him.
-20th Aphorism of the Codes-
No Warrior can be of the Warriors who lives not the Codes of his caste.
If this man chooses not to follow by his codes for whatever ill-conceived reason, then he is not a Warrior, and by Firenza's own admission, NOT the Ubar.
Just something to dwell on. I congratulate however the two who did participate in the DM. They are not easy things to face and many would go running from them. You have played you characters well in that respect.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
***If you like what you've read, spread The Grave News. Link it to your profile and share it with the muns you RP with.***
I've been away for quite some time, and have not been around to write many articles. But the goings on in Treve have once again caught my attention. It seems their Ubar was recently challenged for his position. This is not uncommon in Treve. They switch Ubars more often than most people change underwear in a month. But this one is a special case and I just want to go over it. A lesson for anyone playing a warrior.
I would first like to go off topic to address one thing. I have been receiving alot of IM logs and room logs, and while I will not get into their OOC non-sense. The characters of Firenza of Treve and Melania of Treve need a serious attitude adjustment. Their mouths (Or the the mouths of their NPC Guards) seem to have no limits, including spouting and thought RPing off such jewels as:
Firenza of Treve: She got unceremoniously yanked from her kneel and hauledback away from the action. Travis would catch hold of Melania's arm as welland lead her gently back to his sister. With that accomplished, he went tojoin Seravok at his
Firenza of Treve: side, fully ready to fight in the place of his Ubar whichwas, of course, the man's right as ruler of this city. It was stupid tochallenge a man who commanded MANY men on his home turf. His eyes narrowedfaintly on Kriger and then
Firenza of Treve: he smoked. "Fool." There. Outright. [d]
Melania of Treve: You fat f*cken swine..::remembering now Warn's adjectivesthat best describes this man::: You are not fit to tend tarsks ::and thereher impulsive tongue let loose..but not before Travis caught hold of her armand walked her to
Melania of Treve: Firenza::
...and...
Firenza of Treve: "Do the words of a mere woman affect you so...warrior?"Now that...pissed her off.
Firenza of Treve: "She is free. She can speak her own mind."
Ah-ha, wrong. A woman can speak her mind, all she wants to. Until a man informs her to shut her mouth. This is a male dominated society. If a man tells a woman to shut up, she better, or risk a collar.
Now back on subject. Myk of Treve (Ubar) was challenged by Kriger avHelvete to canjellne. Myk of Treve allowed WarnTheDeviI to fight for him in the challenge. Well as it goes, WarntheDevil won a very close DM, leading to Kriger's death. So far as i know Kriger is not challenging the DM and the scoring is correct. What I plan to address is Myk of Treve's assigning another Warrior to fight for him. Consider the following Warrior codes:
-21st Aphorism of the Codes-
To touch a Warrior without his permission is canjellne. To draw a weapon against a Warrior is canjellne. To misuse the property of a Warrior without recompense is canjellne. Canjellne is the Rite of Challenge. Woe be it to any who so challenges a Warrior!
-22nd Aphorism of the Codes-
A Warrior meets the challenges of those who do not share his caste in the manner he sees fit. Such a challenge may be so met in any fashion, provided it is not ignored.
-23rd Aphorism of the Codes-
A Warrior may respond to the rightful challenge of another Warrior in one of two ways: He may yield all, or he may answer with steel. Woe be it to any who yields all! A collar of iron awaits him one day.
These are three codes that apply to this chalenge. Kriger was a warrior, his challenge was rightful. Myk of Treve had only two responses. Yeild his seat as Ubar or answer with his steel. He choose neither path. He had another warrior fight for him. They justify it with the following arguement:
Firenza of Treve: [Um. Wrong. The Ubarate rights extend past those of amere warrior. And, for the record? ALL Ubars were of the Red Caste, since itwas a war-time or battle-time position.]
The Ubarate rights extend past those of a "mere warrior." Must they be reminded that to be a Warrior is to be one of the High Castes? Must they be reminded that without that caste the man would be NOTHING?!? How can a Warrior be above his own codes? Observe these codes:
-17th Aphorism of the Codes-
There is a time for Ubars, and there is a time when Ubars must also bow. Let no Ubar stand longer than his city has need of him.
-20th Aphorism of the Codes-
No Warrior can be of the Warriors who lives not the Codes of his caste.
If this man chooses not to follow by his codes for whatever ill-conceived reason, then he is not a Warrior, and by Firenza's own admission, NOT the Ubar.
Just something to dwell on. I congratulate however the two who did participate in the DM. They are not easy things to face and many would go running from them. You have played you characters well in that respect.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
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Tuesday, November 25, 2008
Concerning Silver and his remark about me.
Hello and Welcome back all,
I would just like to take a moment to applaud Silver for FINALLY mentioning me in his Outlaw Times. Because he could do nothing better than to show me as another voice in the wind, and an opposing voive to his at times. And if all Silver got from the Grave News and the Grave News 2.0, was I am a moron and that I am trying to get rid of him, then he missed the point. Which is not suprising at all. This paper has only ever tried to promote a more Gorean Cummunity, you can look back through all of my articles and if you read them and get to the point. Silver is nothing more than a repeat offender, a crossing mun who uses his power and writing skill to put down others sometimes deserving other times not so. This is what was said about me.
Torrin Graves, another moron that started writing his own OT style paper because he thinks he can write better than Silver, and now wants Silver out of the way.
This paper, is NOT like the Outlaw Times. I am not unfair, I am willing to debate a point without resorting to crossing and destroying the names of people. And Silver, if that is the best you have to smear me, then I suppose i'm doing something right.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
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I would just like to take a moment to applaud Silver for FINALLY mentioning me in his Outlaw Times. Because he could do nothing better than to show me as another voice in the wind, and an opposing voive to his at times. And if all Silver got from the Grave News and the Grave News 2.0, was I am a moron and that I am trying to get rid of him, then he missed the point. Which is not suprising at all. This paper has only ever tried to promote a more Gorean Cummunity, you can look back through all of my articles and if you read them and get to the point. Silver is nothing more than a repeat offender, a crossing mun who uses his power and writing skill to put down others sometimes deserving other times not so. This is what was said about me.
Torrin Graves, another moron that started writing his own OT style paper because he thinks he can write better than Silver, and now wants Silver out of the way.
This paper, is NOT like the Outlaw Times. I am not unfair, I am willing to debate a point without resorting to crossing and destroying the names of people. And Silver, if that is the best you have to smear me, then I suppose i'm doing something right.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
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Disease on Gor
Hello and Welcome back everyone,
After a break I have a few articles ready to post. The first one covers Disease on Gor. You may or may not have seen people running speaking of a Gorean Pox that has been brought over by an uncareful acquisition ship. Here is an example of the play.
Emma Blackhawk: oh and don't forget Bosk report to the clinic
Xdeliciousdollx: :::Her heart would pound within her chest, feeling loud enough to announce a holiday parade. The girl watched on with wide eye morbid curiosity sprinkled with a healthy sense of fear.:::
Krayton Storm: ::Well she didnt snap at him. What was she up too? Still holding the goad now oposite from where she would have access to it he touched her feathers and in a preening motion pulled out some lice from her feathers::;
Azusenna: ::When she arrived she spotted the two tarns and softly groaned, moving towards the treeline instead, moving behind a tree and took a lean against it. She looked to those gathered before they setled on Bosk. Since she was
Bosk of KoRoBa: "Why should I report to teh clinic?"
Azusenna: appropriately dressed, he may not even recognize her so she turned away to look around her and settle her gaze on the majestic beasts ::
Winged Avalanche: tips her head for his preening fingers
Emma Blackhawk: pox has come to Gor wiith an aquisitionBosk of KoRoBa: "And this affects me how?"
Emma Blackhawk: the City od Kagash is temporarily banned
Emma Blackhawk: if you don't get the vaccine you may die a terrible death
Winged Avalanche: chirrs and chirps softlyEmma Blackhawk: your choice warrior
Bosk of KoRoBa: ::huffs::
Emma Blackhawk: you can't fight it with a sword
Emma Blackhawk: ::she grinned:;
Emma Blackhawk: i can fight it
Bosk of KoRoBa: "I will come by the clinic just so you will get the pleasure of sticking me with a needle"
Later it continues...
Emma Blackhawk: ::she looked to the Huntress and admired her strength::
Xdeliciousdollx: ::brushes off black screen of death to return:::
Seravok Rhayn: Severance 8/20; Ava: 7/20; Seravok 4/20; Rage 2/20
Bosk of KoRoBa: "Yes"Emma Blackhawk: i was wondering has the news reached the forest dwellers
Emma Blackhawk: about the pox vaccine
Krayton Storm: not letting the inturder go at least unharmed Ava again moves to the tarns neck with her talons
Seravok Rhayn: err... Ava still 5/20
OnlineHost: Krayton Storm rolled 2 25-sided dice: 18 20
XvRogueJustice: Eyes drifted Emma. " I am not of the Forest, but our own Healer has been informed"
Krayton Storm: :::Rage seeing her moves again back to the rider his speed not as fast but affective takes his talongs to his bow hand
OnlineHost: Krayton Storm rolled 2 25-sided dice: 10 19
Emma Blackhawk: I'm sorry i meant no insult
Let's take a look at this Gorean Pox. And I pull all of my information from the following link from Luther's Scrolls. http://www.geocities.com/delphius2002/id32.htm.
It was mentioned in the log that the pox came to Gor via and acquisition ship. This is wrong due to the following facts. First, the Gorean Physician's Caste has immensely advanced immunology reasearch and with the exception of a few exceptionally bad GOREAN diseases (such as: Dar-Kosis and the Bazi Plague) all other diseases have bee eliminated. This means that the slavers who went to earth on the acquisition ship, could not have become sick from the "pox." Secondly, the barbarians that came with them could not have been effected. First because they would be screened for such things and secondly once on the acquisition ship they would be given same treatments the Goreans are given, which makes them immune to a disease or would fight off any exsisting ones.
And anyone who says that this "Gorean Pox" would beat the medicine off the Physician's caste, I ask you this. Do you honestly think any Earth disease can beat the same society that have defeated death? This culture have developed stabilization serums that enable a Gorean to live for a long...long...time. Diseases are adaptable to the culture they breed in. Gorean people and environments are harder and harsher than any Earth person or environment. Earth diseases do not have near the strenth or evolution to stand any chance.
But I am also not suprised that this Story-line is coming from the Se'Healer of Ko-Ro-Ba. Which is where the mighty and always "correct" Silver sits upon his throne. Which either means this healer does NOT have permission to run this story-line or Silver has allowed it. Either way, as I said, it does not suprise me at all. By the way, I have looked over Emma Blackhawk's profile, and I see no mention of children. Perhaps it is not law in Ko-Ro-Ba for a woman physician to bear two children before being allowed to fully practice, nevermind be the city Se'Healer.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
***If you like what you've read, spread The Grave News. Link it to your profile and share it with the muns you RP with.***
After a break I have a few articles ready to post. The first one covers Disease on Gor. You may or may not have seen people running speaking of a Gorean Pox that has been brought over by an uncareful acquisition ship. Here is an example of the play.
Emma Blackhawk: oh and don't forget Bosk report to the clinic
Xdeliciousdollx: :::Her heart would pound within her chest, feeling loud enough to announce a holiday parade. The girl watched on with wide eye morbid curiosity sprinkled with a healthy sense of fear.:::
Krayton Storm: ::Well she didnt snap at him. What was she up too? Still holding the goad now oposite from where she would have access to it he touched her feathers and in a preening motion pulled out some lice from her feathers::;
Azusenna: ::When she arrived she spotted the two tarns and softly groaned, moving towards the treeline instead, moving behind a tree and took a lean against it. She looked to those gathered before they setled on Bosk. Since she was
Bosk of KoRoBa: "Why should I report to teh clinic?"
Azusenna: appropriately dressed, he may not even recognize her so she turned away to look around her and settle her gaze on the majestic beasts ::
Winged Avalanche: tips her head for his preening fingers
Emma Blackhawk: pox has come to Gor wiith an aquisitionBosk of KoRoBa: "And this affects me how?"
Emma Blackhawk: the City od Kagash is temporarily banned
Emma Blackhawk: if you don't get the vaccine you may die a terrible death
Winged Avalanche: chirrs and chirps softlyEmma Blackhawk: your choice warrior
Bosk of KoRoBa: ::huffs::
Emma Blackhawk: you can't fight it with a sword
Emma Blackhawk: ::she grinned:;
Emma Blackhawk: i can fight it
Bosk of KoRoBa: "I will come by the clinic just so you will get the pleasure of sticking me with a needle"
Later it continues...
Emma Blackhawk: ::she looked to the Huntress and admired her strength::
Xdeliciousdollx: ::brushes off black screen of death to return:::
Seravok Rhayn: Severance 8/20; Ava: 7/20; Seravok 4/20; Rage 2/20
Bosk of KoRoBa: "Yes"Emma Blackhawk: i was wondering has the news reached the forest dwellers
Emma Blackhawk: about the pox vaccine
Krayton Storm: not letting the inturder go at least unharmed Ava again moves to the tarns neck with her talons
Seravok Rhayn: err... Ava still 5/20
OnlineHost: Krayton Storm rolled 2 25-sided dice: 18 20
XvRogueJustice: Eyes drifted Emma. " I am not of the Forest, but our own Healer has been informed"
Krayton Storm: :::Rage seeing her moves again back to the rider his speed not as fast but affective takes his talongs to his bow hand
OnlineHost: Krayton Storm rolled 2 25-sided dice: 10 19
Emma Blackhawk: I'm sorry i meant no insult
Let's take a look at this Gorean Pox. And I pull all of my information from the following link from Luther's Scrolls. http://www.geocities.com/delphius2002/id32.htm.
It was mentioned in the log that the pox came to Gor via and acquisition ship. This is wrong due to the following facts. First, the Gorean Physician's Caste has immensely advanced immunology reasearch and with the exception of a few exceptionally bad GOREAN diseases (such as: Dar-Kosis and the Bazi Plague) all other diseases have bee eliminated. This means that the slavers who went to earth on the acquisition ship, could not have become sick from the "pox." Secondly, the barbarians that came with them could not have been effected. First because they would be screened for such things and secondly once on the acquisition ship they would be given same treatments the Goreans are given, which makes them immune to a disease or would fight off any exsisting ones.
And anyone who says that this "Gorean Pox" would beat the medicine off the Physician's caste, I ask you this. Do you honestly think any Earth disease can beat the same society that have defeated death? This culture have developed stabilization serums that enable a Gorean to live for a long...long...time. Diseases are adaptable to the culture they breed in. Gorean people and environments are harder and harsher than any Earth person or environment. Earth diseases do not have near the strenth or evolution to stand any chance.
But I am also not suprised that this Story-line is coming from the Se'Healer of Ko-Ro-Ba. Which is where the mighty and always "correct" Silver sits upon his throne. Which either means this healer does NOT have permission to run this story-line or Silver has allowed it. Either way, as I said, it does not suprise me at all. By the way, I have looked over Emma Blackhawk's profile, and I see no mention of children. Perhaps it is not law in Ko-Ro-Ba for a woman physician to bear two children before being allowed to fully practice, nevermind be the city Se'Healer.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
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Monday, September 15, 2008
A Compliment Paid
Hello and welcome back all,
Again working through back articles and this one is about a month old, lol.
I very rarely get letters like this of people actually being COMPLIMENTED for their play. And outside of the glowing compliment given I want to point one thing in the article. Have a read, then see my comments below.
I know you must get a lot of mail about what is wrong with Gor, and I thought it would be nice to point out something that is right. As a newcomer to this forum I have found that unless you know someone your character is often blatantly ignored in the rooms, not always, but often. Thus, when someone pays attention, even by glancing or making a remark in thoughts it is very much appreciated. One person that is outstanding at this is Jacopo Marenovo.
His RP is exceptional, the kind of RP that might have one believe that he is an elitist as so many others are; however, I have noticed that he makes note of everyone that enters the room. While not everyone can be involved in full blown RP at all times, it is this kind of action, just noticing someone, that makes the overall RP much richer and a more rewarding experience for all.
I hope people follow his example, and learn to realize that just interacting with another char does not mean you have a binding contract for life to play, but it does mean that it opens the door for everyone to have fun. Isn't that what this all is about? RP, to me, is like a woven tapestry where every thread, every layer, adds to the overall product. Acknowledging others give more life, more color to the RP, and could possibly enrich everyone's experience here.
Please, if you do use this, do not include my name. I do not want to seem as if I am sucking up to anyone; however, I do think that the actions of Jacopo mun were worthy of mention.
thank you,
A slave mun
I have noticed this as well. If you don't know someone in Gor, you sometimes have a problem getting in the door with s/ls, unless you travel to Schendi (the current Mecca). Not knocking Schendi at all. I play a citizen there and I love that the city is active and accessible and so well run people want to go there. But there is often a feeling that if you don't come with an rp group already, then you will never make any headway.
So I encourage everyone to prove me wrong. In the public rooms make that effort to play with someone you've NEVER seen before. Try and do it at least once every time you go out. I gaurantee it will open up to players to your group and give players who have never RPed and are in Gor for the first time something to be excited about.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
***If you like what you've read, spread The Grave News. Link it to your profile and share it with the muns you RP with.***
Again working through back articles and this one is about a month old, lol.
I very rarely get letters like this of people actually being COMPLIMENTED for their play. And outside of the glowing compliment given I want to point one thing in the article. Have a read, then see my comments below.
I know you must get a lot of mail about what is wrong with Gor, and I thought it would be nice to point out something that is right. As a newcomer to this forum I have found that unless you know someone your character is often blatantly ignored in the rooms, not always, but often. Thus, when someone pays attention, even by glancing or making a remark in thoughts it is very much appreciated. One person that is outstanding at this is Jacopo Marenovo.
His RP is exceptional, the kind of RP that might have one believe that he is an elitist as so many others are; however, I have noticed that he makes note of everyone that enters the room. While not everyone can be involved in full blown RP at all times, it is this kind of action, just noticing someone, that makes the overall RP much richer and a more rewarding experience for all.
I hope people follow his example, and learn to realize that just interacting with another char does not mean you have a binding contract for life to play, but it does mean that it opens the door for everyone to have fun. Isn't that what this all is about? RP, to me, is like a woven tapestry where every thread, every layer, adds to the overall product. Acknowledging others give more life, more color to the RP, and could possibly enrich everyone's experience here.
Please, if you do use this, do not include my name. I do not want to seem as if I am sucking up to anyone; however, I do think that the actions of Jacopo mun were worthy of mention.
thank you,
A slave mun
I have noticed this as well. If you don't know someone in Gor, you sometimes have a problem getting in the door with s/ls, unless you travel to Schendi (the current Mecca). Not knocking Schendi at all. I play a citizen there and I love that the city is active and accessible and so well run people want to go there. But there is often a feeling that if you don't come with an rp group already, then you will never make any headway.
So I encourage everyone to prove me wrong. In the public rooms make that effort to play with someone you've NEVER seen before. Try and do it at least once every time you go out. I gaurantee it will open up to players to your group and give players who have never RPed and are in Gor for the first time something to be excited about.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
***If you like what you've read, spread The Grave News. Link it to your profile and share it with the muns you RP with.***
Gortuga/OOC Bullying Revisited
Hello all, once again,
Welcome back to the Grave News. I'm working my way through back articles and here is one that while I've written on it before, bears the need for repeating until people get it in their heads. You cannot control the RP of others through bullying OOC tactics. Lemme repeat that. YOU CANNOT CONTROL THE RP OF OTHERS THROUGH BULLY OOC TACTICS.
The entire reason the bullies online get away with this kind of stuff is that the muns of Gor do nothing to stop it. I think there is a quote that goes, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Stand up for your Gor. I will let the letter below speak for itself.
I know the topic is becoming stagnant and most are tired of hearing about it, but I wish to share something with your readers, Torrin. Tonight, a few of us from Gortuga gathered and began role playing. I play Winnie, the farmer. We also had some... 'guests' as you may call them, one was a captured woman, another was one who walked right into the pirates clutches. We were all laughing and having a good time, even a famous lurker was there and threatening Winnie's tarsk, to eat. Others came to role play, and it was well past 4 am before everyone gave into sleep. I won't mention names, because it would not be fair to them. Not my place either, because I respect the others.
Ok, here is what really bothered me. One from KoRoBa came in and wanted to join in and have fun. No problem! We welcome everyone to come and role play. Unfortunately, this individual was being attacked in IMs from others under Rencor's thumbnail and was feeling as if he/she (won't reveal it) had to leave. We had those who have been around for a long, long, loooooong time enjoying role playing. Haha, revealed yer old people. Ok, back to this one person. It was so bad that this player stopped and left the room. They came back and then one from KoRoBa popped in and out, spying. I have that portion of the room. The player of the character, who came and *wanted* to role play, didn't, and directly told me it was because he didn't want to give Rencor mun reason to kill off his character for no valid in character reason. I call that, bullying. Yes, I know about bullies cause well, I can be one when my ire is lit. Well it is.
So, if anyone wants to come and lurk, or join in, you come on in and if the *bullies* start in, just ignore them. I am neither Disney nor am I going to stand and let some self-inflated egomanic and his goonies harass others. Been around too long for that. Time to put the dictator in his place. In the trash that will be collected this week.
Happy Gaming Everyone!
Remember, YOU control your character and what happens to them, not anyone else. You have patent rights, in a sense, over it.
Thanks Torrin, love the paper!
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
***If you like what you've read, spread The Grave News. Link it to your profile and share it with the muns you RP with.***
Welcome back to the Grave News. I'm working my way through back articles and here is one that while I've written on it before, bears the need for repeating until people get it in their heads. You cannot control the RP of others through bullying OOC tactics. Lemme repeat that. YOU CANNOT CONTROL THE RP OF OTHERS THROUGH BULLY OOC TACTICS.
The entire reason the bullies online get away with this kind of stuff is that the muns of Gor do nothing to stop it. I think there is a quote that goes, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."
Stand up for your Gor. I will let the letter below speak for itself.
I know the topic is becoming stagnant and most are tired of hearing about it, but I wish to share something with your readers, Torrin. Tonight, a few of us from Gortuga gathered and began role playing. I play Winnie, the farmer. We also had some... 'guests' as you may call them, one was a captured woman, another was one who walked right into the pirates clutches. We were all laughing and having a good time, even a famous lurker was there and threatening Winnie's tarsk, to eat. Others came to role play, and it was well past 4 am before everyone gave into sleep. I won't mention names, because it would not be fair to them. Not my place either, because I respect the others.
Ok, here is what really bothered me. One from KoRoBa came in and wanted to join in and have fun. No problem! We welcome everyone to come and role play. Unfortunately, this individual was being attacked in IMs from others under Rencor's thumbnail and was feeling as if he/she (won't reveal it) had to leave. We had those who have been around for a long, long, loooooong time enjoying role playing. Haha, revealed yer old people. Ok, back to this one person. It was so bad that this player stopped and left the room. They came back and then one from KoRoBa popped in and out, spying. I have that portion of the room. The player of the character, who came and *wanted* to role play, didn't, and directly told me it was because he didn't want to give Rencor mun reason to kill off his character for no valid in character reason. I call that, bullying. Yes, I know about bullies cause well, I can be one when my ire is lit. Well it is.
So, if anyone wants to come and lurk, or join in, you come on in and if the *bullies* start in, just ignore them. I am neither Disney nor am I going to stand and let some self-inflated egomanic and his goonies harass others. Been around too long for that. Time to put the dictator in his place. In the trash that will be collected this week.
Happy Gaming Everyone!
Remember, YOU control your character and what happens to them, not anyone else. You have patent rights, in a sense, over it.
Thanks Torrin, love the paper!
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
***If you like what you've read, spread The Grave News. Link it to your profile and share it with the muns you RP with.***
Monday, August 11, 2008
A letter from a Reader: The Kajira Rooms
Hello one and all,
Below is a letter sent to me from a reader, requesting my opinions and thoughts. I think it best to address the issue here as, it is an example of the need for the Standard of Play (Mentioned in the article "A Standard of Play" on 8-11-08).
Sir, I wish to address an issue that is something I believe we all have seen. No, I do not speak of what has been transpiring the last few weeks, but something of a different nature altogether. Lately, and I know you are aware of this, there are generally two rooms for open roleplaying in. The Kajira Waterfalls and Kajira HotSprings, basically the *generic* rooms. Oh there are city rooms as well, but we all respect them and just don't invade them. Early Sunday morning, there were several roleplaying in the kajira hotsprings. Men, free women, slaves, etc. The only open room with active roleplaying, so I chose to join in. That is why I am here, to roleplay like the rest of Gor. Within 10 minutes, a slave had a thought of how improper it was for free women to be there, it was a place for slaves and men only. While I do agree that in general there is a lot of things that transpire there, one must remember, that every single room the same things do as well. This was not the first time a slave had those thoughts. A few times a male character would threaten to collar any free woman found in the area after that.
Here is my complaint and I would enjoy reading your response and opinion. If it is the only open and active room for roleplaying, why should those of us who select to play a free woman be banned from our rights to roleplay? Just because a slave swims naked or is naked, and there to please a man, we know how to ignore it. Did something happen while I was busy in real life, and miss the letter stating my rights to roleplay were revolked? It is an open room, no city room attached to it. If someone wishes to cyber, take it to a pr where it belongs. Naked slaves are a dime a dozen here on AOL. It is up to the free woman to ignore it. But to have a though such as the slave char did, was wrong. I entered to actively roleplay, not oogle her naked swimming slave. Not to oogle naked men, but to roleplay. When did slave characters, not their muns, decide who is eligible for a room or not?
Your thoughts?
My Thoughts:
I have seen this happen maybe once, possibly twice. Most muns of slaves have the common sense NOT to be stupid like this. But then there are exceptions to every rule. I do not know the exact origins of the Kajira Rooms, they do pre-date my exsistance in Gor, but I do know what they are now. The implication that the Kajira Rooms are for kajira and Master's only is not only an ignorant thought, but also unbook. In the books about the only places Free Women were not allowed that slaves were, were Paga Dens and Ramships (Though there were times in the books women were allowed onto Ramships. Though the crew did not approve.). When a slave makes thought rp like that, ignore it. If a Free Man catches the kajira's drift and wants some alone time with the unfortunate girl, all you can really do is leave as requested, and come back with NPC Guards or PCed men from your city or camp. If Man or Slave takes the fight into the OOC realm, ask them for proof that the Kajira rooms are Man and Jira only rooms. When they stumble over themselves, or say "they've always been that way." Ask again for proof, when they fail to give it (cause there is none), tell them to go Fur in a PR and leave the women in the room alone. Or direct them to my article or myself. I would be more than happy to belittle the first person who thinks he can dictate himself in such matters, so that he doesn't have to switch rooms to fur the below average jira. Thank you for your question and as always reader comments are acceted.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
***If you like what you've read, spread The Grave News. Link it to your profile and share it with the muns you RP with.***
Below is a letter sent to me from a reader, requesting my opinions and thoughts. I think it best to address the issue here as, it is an example of the need for the Standard of Play (Mentioned in the article "A Standard of Play" on 8-11-08).
Sir, I wish to address an issue that is something I believe we all have seen. No, I do not speak of what has been transpiring the last few weeks, but something of a different nature altogether. Lately, and I know you are aware of this, there are generally two rooms for open roleplaying in. The Kajira Waterfalls and Kajira HotSprings, basically the *generic* rooms. Oh there are city rooms as well, but we all respect them and just don't invade them. Early Sunday morning, there were several roleplaying in the kajira hotsprings. Men, free women, slaves, etc. The only open room with active roleplaying, so I chose to join in. That is why I am here, to roleplay like the rest of Gor. Within 10 minutes, a slave had a thought of how improper it was for free women to be there, it was a place for slaves and men only. While I do agree that in general there is a lot of things that transpire there, one must remember, that every single room the same things do as well. This was not the first time a slave had those thoughts. A few times a male character would threaten to collar any free woman found in the area after that.
Here is my complaint and I would enjoy reading your response and opinion. If it is the only open and active room for roleplaying, why should those of us who select to play a free woman be banned from our rights to roleplay? Just because a slave swims naked or is naked, and there to please a man, we know how to ignore it. Did something happen while I was busy in real life, and miss the letter stating my rights to roleplay were revolked? It is an open room, no city room attached to it. If someone wishes to cyber, take it to a pr where it belongs. Naked slaves are a dime a dozen here on AOL. It is up to the free woman to ignore it. But to have a though such as the slave char did, was wrong. I entered to actively roleplay, not oogle her naked swimming slave. Not to oogle naked men, but to roleplay. When did slave characters, not their muns, decide who is eligible for a room or not?
Your thoughts?
My Thoughts:
I have seen this happen maybe once, possibly twice. Most muns of slaves have the common sense NOT to be stupid like this. But then there are exceptions to every rule. I do not know the exact origins of the Kajira Rooms, they do pre-date my exsistance in Gor, but I do know what they are now. The implication that the Kajira Rooms are for kajira and Master's only is not only an ignorant thought, but also unbook. In the books about the only places Free Women were not allowed that slaves were, were Paga Dens and Ramships (Though there were times in the books women were allowed onto Ramships. Though the crew did not approve.). When a slave makes thought rp like that, ignore it. If a Free Man catches the kajira's drift and wants some alone time with the unfortunate girl, all you can really do is leave as requested, and come back with NPC Guards or PCed men from your city or camp. If Man or Slave takes the fight into the OOC realm, ask them for proof that the Kajira rooms are Man and Jira only rooms. When they stumble over themselves, or say "they've always been that way." Ask again for proof, when they fail to give it (cause there is none), tell them to go Fur in a PR and leave the women in the room alone. Or direct them to my article or myself. I would be more than happy to belittle the first person who thinks he can dictate himself in such matters, so that he doesn't have to switch rooms to fur the below average jira. Thank you for your question and as always reader comments are acceted.
I wish you well.
For tomorrow is another day.
Mun of Torrin
(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)
***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***
***If you wish to read older Articles, please click on the "Grave News" link on the sidebar***
***If you like what you've read, spread The Grave News. Link it to your profile and share it with the muns you RP with.***
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