Monday, August 4, 2008

The Case Against Silver

Hello and good evening to everyone again.

Below is an email sent out to apparently alot of the papers of Gor. I have printed it here, with my comments below.



To the muns of Gor:

I ask that you keep my mun identity safe and confidential, but I would really like to see this posted somewhere that other gorean roleplayers can read it. It’s obvious you can’t send it to Silver when the man talks out of both sides of his mouth and forgets what he says from one issue to the next. I am not sure if any of you guys will post it either, but please do.

This is concerning the recent crap that Silver mun is trying to pull. There is a line. If Silver mun turns around, he will see it is about 3 passangs behind where he is standing right now. There is so much I want to say that I am not sure where to start.

In the OT edition 816 on July 30th, Silver makes the following statements (in gold) and in the OT edition 817 on August 3rd Silver makes these additional statements (in red): (As an editor note my comments are in white.)

It would seem that they laws now say if you are caught Cybering with someone who is pretending to be under age of 18 that your mun can go to Jail for Creating Child Porno. I don't make this stuff up folks, Call AOL if you don't believe me.

Legislation is currently pending to make impersonating a child on line a federal crime in all states. It matters not what forum or content that takes. Whether it be role-play or not, whether it is sexual in nature or not

For those who don't want to go to jail with "I Be Jira" you should avoid her character and mun. She's only 12.

About once a year people mistranslates the comments I make. Seems they did this over my last issue warning people that RPing of Children isn't proper. I at no time recall saying to stop RPing all kids.

It is true; he didn’t say to stop Rping all kids, he just pointed out that you should avoid those that do play children.


"Did you know that posting "ANY" pictures of children onto a Profile is illegal?" They can be fully dressed and its still illegal.

So word to the wise, don't post any children pictures period. Not yours, not no fakes. Because posting children pictures could lose you an account.

They don't want ages below 18 in our profiles any more, no pictures of children, no sexual RP between two people where 1 or both are pretending to be under 18. "This isn't Goreans doing this", some may cry. This might be true but, "its AOL and the Law Officials." We aren't ignoring books, we are obeying Real Time Laws. And if a Gamer can't accept this then they need to get Mental help.

And any sexual actions even if the other mun isn't really a Minor but simply pretending to be can be considered child Porno and someone can go to Jail. Don't forget what they keep saying on Court TV. Ignorance of the laws isn't a proper excuse.

So either take what I say with a grain of salt. Or get offended. I don't care. And if your mun ends up in jail for just cybering with a character that is under aged but the mun is an adult.

Silver had been over the top before, but he has outdone himself this time with attacking those that spoke up and pointed out his false statements. Silver is rude, nasty and dragging KoRoBa into the cesspool of Gor while he is at it.


Now, he also put in his paper about the woman on trial, Silver writes:

As of May 16, 2008, the woman who pretended to be a teenage male, who was chatting with a teenage girl months ago who ultimately committed suicide over their Internet relationship; that woman has been charged with a Federal crime for the death of this teenage girl, although the charges were reduced from the Second Degree Murder charges the girls family sought, this woman is still facing a twenty year prison sentence.

This is another classic example of Silver only telling you what he either wants you to know, or telling you all he does know, which is not the full story. The lady was charged, not because she portrayed a 16-year-old boy, but because she knowingly and willingly caused harm to a minor. She was intentionally deceiving the girl, knowing the girl had low self esteem, in an attempt to get back at her for hurting her own daughters feelings. It had nothing to do with sex or the age that she portrayed herself, she is being charged for intentional harm to a minor that resulted in the death of a minor. It was considered pre-meditated.

Now I want to clarify something about what Meira sent out. I have talked to Meira because there was something she said that didn’t make sense to me. I’m going to clarify in case it didn’t make sense to others. Meira said this:


AOL's response was helpful in clearing up some matters:

* It is NOT illegal to role play a child under the age of 18.
Sexual activity with a child character IS illegal though.

This is what those that work in the call centers say, but they do not understand the full concept of characters and muns. They do not understand the concept of roleplaying in most cases. When those in the call center think of having sex with a character under the age of 18, they are usually assuming you are referring to an actual minor having cyber sex with an actual adult.

* It is NOT illegal to have pictures of children in an AOL profile.
It is suggested that you place in your profile that it is a role playing game and that the pictures are a representation of the character you portray and not actually you or your children.



I also took this one step further, and called my local police station. I was put on the phone with Officer Courtwright. I described to him the same thing as I had talked to AOL about and he asked some questions in return. He told me that there are no laws within the state of Pennsylvania, nor any Federal laws or statutes with the Sexual Predator Acts that prohibit an adult from representing themselves as a child character in this sort of venue. He did say that other states may have different laws, but there is nothing in Pennsylvania, nor any Federal law that is being violated.

Roleplaying out sexual scenes in private rooms with anyone, so long as their mun is over the age of 18 is not illegal. It is also not considered child pornography. What we are doing when we are roleplaying is writing a fictional story. We are not all that different from Stephen King, Anne Rice or any other fictional writer. It is not considered child pornography, nor is it considered to be the corruption of a minor. If it were, Anne Rice would be serving lots of jail time right now for her entire vampire series. Armand was something like 16 when Marius seduced him! Have any of you read those scenes? These types of scenes MUST be done in private rooms though, because if you do it in a public room and a minor pops into the room and sees ANYTHING that is remotely sexual, you can be prosecuted for exposing a minor to pornography, or for the corruption of a minor.

I told someone shortly before the last two issues of the OT came out that it was no longer the OT, it had become the “KoRoBa Soapbox.” She laughed and agreed with me. Am I possibly the only one that can see past the smoke and mirrors and realize that all KoRoBa and KoRoBa Station are is Spirit of Gor all over again. How long until good old Silver falls in love with another stripper and lets KRB and KRB Station fall flat too? It is a shame because there are some great players within those SLs. Hopefully they will have the good sense to either get rid of the crazed Silver mun or leave and go somewhere else.

I am probably being harsher than I mean to come across as, but I am fed up. I am fed up with people thinking they are the new god of Gor. I am fed up with people trashing the good guys when they don’t agree with what they say.

Someone show me where Gwyn has ever done anything so horrible as to be listed in red in Silver’s paper. I bet you can’t. She is one of the most selfless muns I have ever had to work with in this game. Her contributions are innumerable. There are three Scribes that have unquestioningly contributed to our game more than probably any other people that play here. Like them or hate them, but you can’t deny what Gwyn, Meira and Jewel have done for our game.

What Silver did by kicking Colum out of KRB was nothing short of crossing. He knew the mun played CptJackGant and threw him out because he doesn’t agree with another SL of the mun. Then to make matters look even grimmer from Silver, Silver mun purposefully outted Colum mun as a female mun. There are people on Gor that I don’t like, but even so, I would not give out their personal information like that. There is someone that roleplays here with all of us that I hope to never ever see again for the rest of my life, either in roleplay or real life, but I would never announce to all of Gor that [his SN] has ED. People just need to remember the golden rule I think. That or the rule of three. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you or whatever you put out comes back to you threefold.

Thank you.


Silver is the exact thing he claims to hate. He preaches of making Gor a better place. But all he is doing...all he has done for awhile is simply make things worse. And it's gotten more and more desperate as he tries to cling to that which has given him such undeserved respect. His hateful writings. I still look in awe at his comment:

"Or you can read the OT and let Silver be your Game Master since I have the knowledge and know how."---From the OT Edition 816

Why would you let someone control your play, when he does nothing but bring down your game, your RP experience, who lies to you, stretches the truth, and only gives you praise when he thinks it's appropriate to his goals. You wouldn't. You would be STUPID too. I fear for those in KRB. I fear that one day, Silver will finally take that step off the teetering ledge he has so delicatly placed himself. And plunge not only himself,but those he RPs with into an oblivion of RP hell. Where Silver is Ubar of IC/OOC, and if you disagree with him, even in the slightest he makes you pay.

I implore those of KRB and of KRB Station to seek a better environment for their play. Silver has turned his Outlaw Times into a weapon. Nothing more than a simple weapon to spread his hateful writings, and to slander those who disagree with him. He's even gotten to the point of making snide threats to muns. I will say this, when Silver is right...he is right...when he is wrong, he is so very wrong. His Outlaw Times may have started with good intentions. But it is no longer anything but a fountain of hate.

But has anyone here noticed something that I have? This is not the first time I have spoken about Silver. Yet he has yet to say one cross word to me. It's possible, however improable that he hasn't seen the paper. Silver preys on those who he believes cannot defend themselves. People who he can crush with his writings. How does one fight such actions. Stand up to him. Take his slander in stride, and stand up to him. He is a bully, and should be treated as such. Silver says he's been around a long time. So has the people he slanders. Silver says he doesn't care about his charries, he doesn't care if they live or die. But he'll take down yours with him, which leads me to believe his charries go carry a price with him. Ruin his plans, he'll ruin you.

My suggestion...I repeat SUGGESTION to AOLGor is this. Make him a relic. Make him as useless as every wanna-be tyrant before him. That's what he wants. He wants to be respected, to be the only "truth" in Gor. But he doesn't help those who need it. He brings down those that threaten his "truth." I would suggest un-subscribing from the OT, but it's best to know what crap he is spewing. I do suggest those who are in KRB and KRB Station seek a better environment. Schendi, Jasmine, ANYWHERE but where Silver is. Give him time Silver will bury himself.


I wish you well.

For tomorrow is another day.

Mun of Torrin

(Also, I am accepting articles to be published in the paper. I am taking any sort of editorials on Gorean roleplay, logs of improper Gorean play, crossing, or un-Gorean characters of play)

***Please, visit the TMOG Resource Site and the Gorean Times the links are on the right hand sidebar of the paper.***

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1 comment:

Anonymous said...

Accroding to Danielle, the AOL Customer Service Rep I spoke with regarding posting of pics on a profile. ANY pics. Child, or not. You can put children's pics on your profile. If you have a desire to put little Susie's picture of her first dance recital on your personal profile, do it. Just make a note, "This is my daughter (niece, kid's neighbor, whatever) dancing her little heart out."
If you play a char that uses a picture of an underage person (Such as Sky, my char pic is Jamie Lyn Spears) again, you have no problem. Those pictures, as long as they are rated G, are fine. They are normally found on Google and considered public property, as long as you don't pretend to be that actual person.
If you play a child character and you use a personal photo (such as your own child, or a photo you have access to) again, as long as it's g rated, there is no problem.
And what people do in private rooms is exactly that. Private. According to Danielle, that is the reason there are private rooms. Conversely, if you are in a private room and something is happening you don't like, nothing can be done. When you enter the room, you agree to whatever is happening in that room. You don't like it, LEAVE.
It's when you post such things on public forums. Such as this forum, Xanga, Facebook, MySpace, things like that. Once you put them in a place that children have the capability to see them, you have crossed the line.
When I started to play Sky, she was 10. I played her as a child should be played. Young, inquisitive and slightly bratty. She has matured into a young woman and I play her that way now.